My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

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  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Here's the problem in a nutshell. It is why going to college and studying history is so important.

  Humans and wars have existed from the beginning of time.

  The Muslims have gone to war for centuries.

  The Middle East has a particularly interesting recent history as regards westerners (US and Brits) and Muslims

  The US has a very predictable pattern of behaviour in its history. Whether you agree or not, it is a pattern.

  The Muslim countries were warned not to harbor terrorists.

  Predictable. Absolutely.

  I guess the history lesson is that "You shouldn't mess with the US".
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

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  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  `i guess maybe the history lesson is, don`t mess with the US`- that is exactly the type of arrogance and complacency that gets US in trouble. They are so confidant that they are ok, that they don`t think that anything will affect them, but look at 9/11? These countries may not have the latest weaponry, but they are using other methods to get their point across, and they are getting horrific results! The US needs to start eating humble pie, and stop bullying as it will come back on them Bigtime.

  Upon reconsidering....I agree, I was being too polite.

  I should have said. Any country that harbors terrorists is open game and the US will hunt them down and kill them. If any Muslim leader has half a brain he will help flush terrorists out and not support any terrorist groups within his country. Given the history of the US in these matters it is certain they will use all means neccessary to achieve this goal.
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  2. friends

  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Ohhhhhhhhhhh, many Arabs view lying as acceptable. That makes a lot of sense. So, it is appropriate for us to lie to cause death and destruction because of that premise. That is a very solid position. I'd love my son or daughter to be blown to hell because the "liar Bush felt it was Appropriate to start a war based on lies, because the Arabs lie." Sign me up today!!! Man that really makes us the Beacon of Morality. You could be my leader anytime. (I'm bowing down) Can I register for the draft???

  Who ever said war is Moral?

  As you stated earlier

  Each leader has to face or condemn evil if they don't the evil will eventually destroy them, but those that don't should not be attacked by the superpower based off the desire to control

  I think you make Pres. Bush's case for why force is neccessary. It is because the Muslim leaders who harbored and supported terrorism did not and will not condemn it. This is his entire premise. Well stated!
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  He sure did, with gas, and bombs, and planes stamped Made in the USA. Hell he was our friend as long as he did what we wanted. That war material was bought from someone and had the blessing of someone, Duh! And don't forget he still never attacked the US...Hell, remember that picture of Ol' Saddam and Rumi taken back in the day, both smilin' like Chesser Cats...They looked like Buds to me, what happened?..

  As an individual, you look out for your best interests, correct? The US looks out for its best interests as well. All countries do, and that is why you do not deny that given the chance a Muslim superpower would rule the world by force. Its within human nature.

  What happened in the Middle East with the US? It's pretty simple.Back in the late 40's-50's we helped bring the Shah to power, then years later when a coup took place by the fundamentalists, the CIA helped he Shah get back into power. So naturally when things came to a head in the 1970's, the group that the Shah had suppressed (the fundamentalists with their leader the Ayatollah) mounted a coup and came to power. Then they turned the retoolled the printing presses used for printing money that were identical to the ones used in the US and they started printing counterfeit US dollars. We know because we sold the Shah them. For most of the 90's American dollars was the main currency traded in the streets of the Middle East. That is one of the main reasons that we changed the 100's. 50's and 20's. BTW the other country that was notorious for doing this (counterfeiting US dollars) after 2000 was North Korea. The US was shut out and began to sell arms to Iraq, because they started a war with our other current enemy Iran.

  Then when Saddam invaded Kuwait he became our enemy.

  Then when 9/11 happened and no Muslim countries condemned the terrorism and violence, the US set out to find and eliminate terrorist groups and regimes that were unfriendly to the US and supported terrorist groups. Masharif had to go along with us if he wanted to stay in power. He was smart. Saddam was not. The US can be loyal friends to those who are loyal to us, and we can be a tough foe.

  I guess maybe the history lesson is, don't mess with the US.
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  As you stated earlier

  Each leader has to face or condemn evil if they don't the evil will eventually destroy them, but those that don't should not be attacked by the superpower based off the desire to control

  I think you make Pres. Bush's case for why force is neccessary. It is because the Muslim leaders who harbored and supported terrorism did not and will not condemn it. This is his entire premise. Well stated!

  You know I did forget... I remember now, Bush was elected Chief of Police for the world. Him and the great coalition of the willing (lol) were the only ones to see the imminent danger of Iraq. What a visionary!!! He was so smart that he even paid others to agree to allow him to come and bring his Army. This is such a joke and a very bad one at that. Watch your local news, the body counts and lost money on all sides is rising by the minute..Mission Accomplished!!! --What A Fool!!!

  The fools are the Muslim leaders who did not condemn the terrorists in their midst! The Muslim culture despite your posts is quite different than the Western world. Many Arabs view lying as a perfectly acceptable bartering tool (if you know Arabs, then you know this statement is true).

  You defend a culture and way of thinking that I think you know little about. If the powerful Muslim countries could, they would rule the world by force. We merely beating them to the punch and diminishing their capabilites to do so.
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Were there that many being deposited on the streets before we showed up? And let's not forget the thousands we vaporized day in and day out. We aren't much better if you look at it. Saddam was bad but over 600,000 have been killed and many thousands wounded since this immoral war was started. Our presence was a catalyst for this. Now we stand around and wonder why there are so many people dying?

  We don't sit around and wonder why so many are dying. It is your Muslim brothers that are killing each other in sectarian violence. The underlying nature of this region has been exposed much like Bosnia in the 90's.

  During the Iraq/Iran combined war estimates of death are on the order of around a million. Saddam himself slaughtered and gassed hundreds of thousands of his own people during his reign.

  Muslim's killing Muslim's should not be blamed on Americans.
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Each leader has to face or condemn evil if they don't the evil will eventually destroy them, but those that don't should not be attacked by the superpower based off the desire to control

  I think you make Pres. Bush's case for why force is neccessary. It is because the Muslim leaders who harbored and supported terrorism did not and will not condemn it. This is his entire premise. Well stated!
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  Westerners and christians of all ilks have lived in the middle east for thousands of years mostly in peace. Go to most countries over in the middle east and you will see for yourself. Those of us in the know also understand Iraq and all of the other countries the region even under Saddam were very hospitable to westerners. You may have to respect some different customs but you have always been welcome, and that's a fact.

  You mean the custom of Shites and Sunnis depositing nearly one hundred mutilated corpes a day for the past few months in the streets of Baghdad. So they are hospitable to Westerners, just not fellow Muslim's?
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  I think you are asking the muslims to do something that you won't do and that is to condemn Bush and Blair as being what they are, terrorists and war mongers

  You are starting to whine again. You point fingers away from Muslim's as if that makes them any better or different. Where have I seen that before?

  Bush misjudged the response of the Iraqi people. He didn't anticipate the sectarian issues that has divided Muslim's for thousands of years.

  One can make the point that we should leave them to fight amongst themselves. OK

  But that doesn't change my initial assertion. If the leaders of the Muslim countries had the intelligence and ability to come together and form a unified front (which they will never do in my opinion), they would seek to convert the rest of the world by force.
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  Lets say something positive about Islam!

  by eyeslice in

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  i'ii start off.

  i have traveled widely in asia and have visited iran on business.

  i have always found the average muslim to be extremely hospitable and generous.

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  My MILs worst nightmare, a nonJW

  I can partially agree but if you check all of the early posts, they were mostly one liners, with mocking, derogatory and inflamatory remarks about Islam, and my getting in was to balance the scales somewhat.

  Point taken and understood.

  Once you switch to talking about governments, then what becomes important is what the leaders in power believe, not the individuals. The people of Iran have always been thought to be progressive, modern and moderate, but they are not the ones in power There is instability inherent in most Muslim governments and the likely succesors are either Military Coups or religious fundamentalists who believe that Islam should be spread throughout the world. Power in the wrong hands is always dangerous.

  Fortunately in Democracy's the people have the ability to vote and effect change. Bush is not president for life unlike some Muslim countries leaders. I don't agree with all of his methods, however I believe he is right in asserting that Muslim countries run by former military leaders or fundamentalists pose a threat to the rest of the world.